When it comes to wedges in the golf industry, few brands carry as much weight as Cleveland. They have a rich history of crafting timeless designs that are widely recognized. One aspect that sets Cleveland apart is that they design wedges for golfers of all skill levels, perhaps more than any other major golf company. They offer an extensive range suitable for everyone, from professional golfers on the PGA Tour to those who play only a few times a year. The RTX 6 and the new RTX Full Face 2 are excellent choices for the advanced player, while the mid-handicap player might gravitate toward the newly introduced CBX 4. Cleveland’s Smart Sole lineup targets the casual golfer who gets to practice or play sparingly. Today, we focus on the latter as the Smart Sole lineup receives an update, including a new model in the Smart Sole Full-Face collection.
These new Smart Sole Full-Face wedges are said to be Cleveland’s largest and most forgiving wedges ever introduced to the market. With some improved shaping and the inclusion of a full-face design, the hitting areas on these wedges are 46% larger than the Smart Sole 4 wedges. Cleveland also incorporated several top-shelf technologies into this new Smart Sole line so that Smart Sole players can see the same benefits as an RTX 6 player.
It’s undeniable that the best technology that has been introduced in Cleveland wedges in the past year is the HydraZip face technology. HydraZip is a unique combination of laser-milled lines and a dynamic face blast, proven to help retain spin regardless of whether one is playing in wet or dry conditions. With the help of UltiZip grooves, each club gains deeper, sharper, and tighter grooves for more control and consistency. During Cleveland’s testing, Smart Sole Full-Face with HydraZip produced 17% more spin during dry toe contact and 484% more spin-on-toe contact in wet conditions versus the previous generation.
Wedges are designed to offer versatility, allowing golfers to play shots with the face slightly open or shut. However, with the Smart Sole line, most shots are intended to be taken with a neutral or square face. Cleveland has added white paint fill to the bottom two grooves of each club to aid in this regard. The bottom groove is slightly wider than a golf ball, making it easier to line up with the ball centered. Meanwhile, the top groove has a more extended reach and serves as a visual cue to determine if the face is square behind the ball or altered in any direction.
Every club has been upgraded with a three-tiered sole design, offering more bounce at the leading edge. This additional bounce helps prevent the clubs from digging, making the strike more stable and increasing forgiveness. Nobody wants to fear that dreaded chunked shot around the green; with this sole design, you won’t have to.
There are four models in the Smart Sole Full-Face club series by Cleveland, each designed to suit a specific short-game shot encountered by golfers during their rounds. Below is a brief description of each model and its intended use.
Chipper
A signature club in the Smart Sole lineup, this club comes in 42° of loft and is made for those chips and longer bump and run shots. In the past, some golfers have even tackled long pitch shots with Cleveland’s chipper model.
Gap Wedge
The gap wedge was a new update in the previous generation and again found its way into the lineup. With a wide sole and 50° of loft, it’s an excellent option for full and partial swings.
Sand Wedge
Bunker shots often give players fits, but with this 58° wedge, they got a bit easier. Once again, the wide three-tiered sole sets this wedge up to play with a straighter face, helping to create sand shots that come out high and land soft.
Lob Wedge
Introducing the latest addition to the Smart Sole family, designed to tackle the challenging lob shots that golfers often encounter. The L model combines 64° of loft with full-face grooves and a wide tri-level sole, making it easier for golfers to execute this tricky shot.
Cleveland Smart Sole Full-Face wedges launch today with a price tag of $139.99. Every club in the lineup is available for both right and left-handed golfers. More information on all of Cleveland’s new wedges is available at www.us.dunlopsports.com/cleveland-golf.
[QUOTE=”1860VS, post: 12135247, member: 71354″]
Yesterday outdoors I used the SS Lob for the first time on a real course. It was fantastic. I even used it out of a very firm bunker with excellent results. The beauty of it (although I cant find the specs) is that is is lowish bounce and squared up works great out of tight lies, unlike taking a 58/60 lob wedge and opening it up, raising the leading edge into the skull zone. Yet unlike a low bounce lob, because of the wide sole, it still works great on soggy ground such as we had yesterday without chunking or digging. Heck, if they made this in a 58*, I might seriously consider it as well, because there will be very little call to open it up with the 64* in the bag…….
Today at the sim round I was missing a lot of greens but hitting pitches and chips inside the 8′ gimme range one after the other. Went one streak of 5 holes in a row not touching my putter. (not saying a lot for my approach shots LOL) One of my buddies, who is a very good player just had to try it. He was sold…… I bet he has it ordered it already from Carls. LOL
I know some may scoff, but this design is brilliant, and the SS Lob will fit in many, many bags if guys can get past their egos or worrying about appearances and give it a shot.
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I think not having to open the club really simplifies setup and the swing too. Much easier to execute something familiar when under pressure of hitting a good shot.
[QUOTE=”Hawk, post: 12138330, member: 1193″]
I think not having to open the club really simplifies setup and the swing too. Much easier to execute something familiar when under pressure of hitting a good shot.
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I’m going to stop in at GG on my way home and hit the SS 58 and the CBX4 58. My CBX Zip is getting tired. Not that it didn’t last, it lasted much longer than expected, but I hit hundreds of 58’s a week, even if they aren’t full shots they all take their toll.
SS 64* lob has taken over the vast majority of the work from 60 in. Much more versatile than I thought it would be, just dont play for much release even knocking it down…
Played a sim round today with some younger guys on a course with 9 holes over 400 yards. I won by a stroke despite being the shortest hitter and not having a great driving day as it was. When I miss greens, its not a 100 yard miss. And when I cant get home in 2 on a 434 yard par 4 because I drove in the crap, its usually not a 100 yard approach I am left with. My work around missed or short of greens is well inside of 60 yards, and 60 in is where this 64* lob excels for me. I had a slew of par saving one putts because this wedge was doing what I have come to expect of it, knocking them close……. I did have one front pin I carried the lob 74 yards and pulled the string on it, It came back down the slope 9 yards, spinning a bit over 13,000 rpm. Yes, if you hit that wedge hard it will spin the cover off the ball, thats why I try to keep it 60 and under. But its nice to have the option when you need it.
Bringing back an older thread. After much research on Cleveland wedges, I ordered a new SSFF C wedge from Amazon. It will be here Thursday so I can go to the range Friday before we play Saturday morning.
Next, I will either get a SS4 Dark SW or SSFF SW, then a SSFF 64 Lob.
Do any of you with a SS SW have much experience using the SS 64 Lob from sand or do you just use the L off grass around the greens?
[QUOTE=”FatChance, post: 12179179, member: 52130″]
Bringing back an older thread. After much research on Cleveland wedges, I ordered a new SSFF C wedge from Amazon. It will be here Thursday so I can go to the range Friday before we play Saturday morning.
Next, I will either get a SS4 Dark SW or SSFF SW, then a SSFF 64 Lob.
Do any of you with a SS SW have much experience using the SS 64 Lob from sand or do you just use the L off grass around the greens?
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Highest loft I have used is a 58*, have not tried out the 65*. However, with the SS being so versatile, I would use it everywhere. Short sided green out of bunker to a tight pin with the 64* would be a definite must use.
Another question, it seems to me that the C and S (and the new L) wedges would definitely benefit from the new Zip groove technology over the SS4 models. Has the new S wedge benefited as much over the SS4 S wedge for a higher handicap player out of sand or do you find yourself using the S wedge on grass enough where the new groove technology really makes a difference? I ask because a buddy has a SS4 Dark S wedge that I could get a great deal on instead of just getting the new S wedge for not much more (and I will still be getting the new L wedge anyhow). Thanks!
[QUOTE=”FatChance, post: 12179326, member: 52130″]
Another question, it seems to me that the C and S (and the new L) wedges would definitely benefit from the new Zip groove technology over the SS4 models. Has the new S wedge benefited as much over the SS4 S wedge for a higher handicap player out of sand or do you find yourself using the S wedge on grass enough where the new groove technology really makes a difference? I ask because a buddy has a SS4 Dark S wedge that I could get a great deal on instead of just getting the new S wedge for not much more (and I will still be getting the new L wedge anyhow). Thanks!
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How is your sand game? I think my decision would be based off of that. Are you consistently striking the ball well where you need a different groove tech for better spin and control?
If you are struggling out of the bunker, there are so many reasons for that, and I would not put groove technology at the top of the list for struggling out of the sand.
For my money, I would get a good deal on the S Wedge and grab the new L as well. Tinker with them both and work on your sand game. At this point, I would not place a premium on upgraded groove technology over getting consistently good shots out of a bunker. Over time, as you progress and if you see a distinct performance advantage from the L to the S, upgrade to the new S.
Thanks! My research into Cleveland wedges began as a journey to find a new SW to help with some of the troubles I am having in the sand these days. Previous threads touted the virtues of the SS S wedges and here I am. Your suggestion to grab the used SS4 S wedge was why I asked this question and I can easily agree with your confirmation. Plus, one fewer golf club purchases on the CC bill will help maintain “happy wife” status, for a while at least.
[QUOTE=”FatChance, post: 12179508, member: 52130″]
Thanks! My research into Cleveland wedges began as a journey to find a new SW to help with some of the troubles I am having in the sand these days. Previous threads touted the virtues of the SS S wedges and here I am. Your suggestion to grab the used SS4 S wedge was why I asked this question and I can easily agree with your confirmation. Plus, one fewer golf club purchases on the CC bill will help maintain “happy wife” status, for a while at least.
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I’m still playing a 58* Smart Sole 2 from 2015, and have no issues with it. It does exactly what I need it to do. Eventually, I will probably get one of the newer 58* wedges, as well at the L 64* to play around with. Not sure if the 64* would find a permanent spot, as the 58* is so versatile from bunker shots to full swing shots.
I picked up the Smart Sole 3.0 Chipper and Sand Wedge back in 2019. They’ve worked well, although I did find them finicky at times. I’d sometimes try to hit a 75-yard SW and completely mishit it, and swinging the C as a full wedge always felt slightly awkward. I used both of them for chipping depending on the situation, with mostly good success.
I just upgraded my whole bag, and as part of that I got the latest Smart Sole Full Face (5.0?) versions. I honestly didn’t expect much of a change.
But… [I]wow[/I]! HUGE improvement so far! Both of them are _much_ more accurate than the earlier 3.0 models. I feel like basically everything is coming off straight at the pin.
I did struggle with the new SW my first couple rounds out – I kept hitting behind and chunking it. But once I started swinging my hands a bit easier and got comfortable with the weight of the club, it’s been magic.
In my round yesterday, I kept hitting my irons 20 yards short (cold, windy, and wet, but also swing wasn’t quite working right). But I _repeatedly_ chipped to within 5 feet from 20 yards away, including one that bounced in, hit the pin, and popped out. Easy par putts. That probably saved me 8-10 shots right there.
So yeah, based on a still-relatively-small sample size, this year’s Smart Soles seem like a significant upgrade.
Embarrassing admission here. I hover between 5-9 handicap most of the golf season but my short game is absolute trash and holds me back. When I am missing a green I am rooting for the ball to get into a bunker or be in a spot that allows me to putt the ball on to the green. I use by 5wood often to “chip” but anytime I have to hit something high and soft from 50yds and in is a crapshoot.
I’ve been seriously considering a wedge like these or the Callaway CB while I work though these struggles. Any feedback or thoughts is greatly appreciated.
[QUOTE=”FatChance, post: 12179179, member: 52130″]
Do any of you with a SS SW have much experience using the SS 64 Lob from sand or do you just use the L off grass around the greens?
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Yes. It has become my go to club out of the firm greenside bunkers we have at courses where I play.
[QUOTE=”j_sizzle9, post: 12188596, member: 47081″]
Embarrassing admission here. I hover between 5-9 handicap most of the golf season but my short game is absolute trash and holds me back. When I am missing a green I am rooting for the ball to get into a bunker or be in a spot that allows me to putt the ball on to the green. I use by 5wood often to “chip” but anytime I have to hit something high and soft from 50yds and in is a crapshoot.
I’ve been seriously considering a wedge like these or the Callaway CB while I work though these struggles. Any feedback or thoughts is greatly appreciated.
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It’s sounds like you owe it to yourself to try. When you don’t use the 5 wood, what club do you pull and what’s the miss with that club?
[QUOTE=”j_sizzle9, post: 12188596, member: 47081″]
Embarrassing admission here. I hover between 5-9 handicap most of the golf season but my short game is absolute trash and holds me back. When I am missing a green I am rooting for the ball to get into a bunker or be in a spot that allows me to putt the ball on to the green. I use by 5wood often to “chip” but anytime I have to hit something high and soft from 50yds and in is a crapshoot.
I’ve been seriously considering a wedge like these or the Callaway CB while I work though these struggles. Any feedback or thoughts is greatly appreciated.
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I didn’t like the feel of the Callaway CB MD. Go with a Cleveland CBX ZipCore wedge which are new and on sale on line or maybe these SSFF wedges.
I played the first round with my new SSFF C wedge yesterday. I used it in as many different situations, where it could possibly be appropriate, as I could imagine (including using it to retrieve a ball that dribbled into a water hazard). Everything from 4′ chips just off the green to full swing approaches. It can be a very versatile club within 60-70 yards if you use some imagination.
I started getting a feel for how to make good contact with different swings but distance control will take a little longer.
When I got home yesterday I ordered the 58* S wedge and will probably go ahead and get the 64* L wedge this week as well. I like it.
[QUOTE=”j_sizzle9, post: 12188596, member: 47081″]
Embarrassing admission here. I hover between 5-9 handicap most of the golf season but my short game is absolute trash and holds me back. When I am missing a green I am rooting for the ball to get into a bunker or be in a spot that allows me to putt the ball on to the green. I use by 5wood often to “chip” but anytime I have to hit something high and soft from 50yds and in is a crapshoot.
I’ve been seriously considering a wedge like these or the Callaway CB while I work though these struggles. Any feedback or thoughts is greatly appreciated.
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At my lowest handicap of around 5, the smart sole rarely came out of the bag. It just makes the short game easier, and is so versatile for everything I need that it makes sense for me in that 58* spot. I’m quite intrigued by the 64*
[QUOTE=”FatChance, post: 12188979, member: 52130″]
I played the first round with my new SSFF C wedge yesterday. I used it in as many different situations, where it could possibly be appropriate, as I could imagine (including using it to retrieve a ball that dribbled into a water hazard). Everything from 4′ chips just off the green to full swing approaches. It can be a very versatile club within 60-70 yards if you use some imagination.
I started getting a feel for how to make good contact with different swings but distance control will take a little longer.
When I got home yesterday I ordered the 58* S wedge and will probably go ahead and get the 64* L wedge this week as well. I like it.
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The C has been a gem this year.
[QUOTE=”j_sizzle9, post: 12188596, member: 47081″]
Embarrassing admission here. I hover between 5-9 handicap most of the golf season but my short game is absolute trash and holds me back. When I am missing a green I am rooting for the ball to get into a bunker or be in a spot that allows me to putt the ball on to the green. I use by 5wood often to “chip” but anytime I have to hit something high and soft from 50yds and in is a crapshoot.
I’ve been seriously considering a wedge like these or the Callaway CB while I work though these struggles. Any feedback or thoughts is greatly appreciated.
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What’s your miss look like? Contact issues? If so, I think this or the CBX4 would be a great option. The soles are all about mitigating heavy contact issues and the cavity back will help with your consistency across the face.
[QUOTE=”j_sizzle9, post: 12188596, member: 47081″]Embarrassing admission here. I hover between 5-9 handicap most of the golf season but my short game is absolute trash and holds me back. When I am missing a green I am rooting for the ball to get into a bunker or be in a spot that allows me to putt the ball on to the green. I use by 5wood often to “chip” but anytime I have to hit something high and soft from 50yds and in is a crapshoot.
I’ve been seriously considering a wedge like these or the Callaway CB while I work though these struggles. Any feedback or thoughts is greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]
I love my cb mackdaddy 54/14 a lot. I would definitely try that style.
I just picked up a rtx full face 2 54/10 but the jury is still out on it. My home course is very hard during the summer which made me want to lean toward less bounce.
I’m not a huge fan of the C because I feel like it rolls out too much to be versatile. Ordered a L this week and will give it a try.
I had some spares from winter tinkering so I traded my 4.0 C for the Full Face C. The new satin finish and cavity make for a much more premium feel, although to my eye I still like Cleveland’s black finish from previous lines better than both. The transition from the hosel to the Hydrazip face and full face grooves is a little odd at first but you get used to it.
I’m a little mixed on the feel changes. The feel is softer and more toward the CBX line, so it will blend a lot better with the CBX line and/or iron feels in that realm. The softer feel also feels better for treating it like a “lofted putter” around the greens. The tradeoff is there seems to be a little less crispness as you start to use it from farther away, so there is a little bit less of the “feels like a normal wedge” than the previous line IMO.
On the sim it’s hitting similar numbers across the board as what I had seen on the 4.0. I did hit a shot from the rough that came out much softer than I expected based on the swing, so I think the Hydrazip is doing more work in that application.
Even though the new stock length is 35″, I’m planning to play mine at more like 34″ like I did the last model. When I have this in the bag I like to use it like a “utility wedge” from 40-120 more even than around the greens, and with the upright lie I hit it a lot better when it’s shorter. If you’re planning to take only putting style strokes with it, then I think the added length makes a lot of sense.
When I play solo this year I’m planning to take it out as a 15th club to see how often I pull it vs my 44* and 50* wedges and how it does stats wise in Shot Scope.
I have only played a couple rounds with my new SSFF C wedge (very happy with it!). We are getting some rare rain here in Arizona so I got into tinker mode and cut the shaft 1/2″ to 34.5″ and put on a Golf Pride Tour Wrap 2G Jumbo grip on it. Since I will be doing a lot (many?) shots with a putting stroke, that length and grip size will help make a putting stroke feel more natural with the C wedge, for me.
I also received my new SSFF S wedge yesterday and hope to get out with it after the rainy weather moves out later this weekend.
I suppose the odds are pretty good that I will go ahead and order the matching lob wedge sometime next week, because THP.
2 guys I play with every week have gotten the SS FF Lob because they were tired of me victimizing them with mine and wanted to equalize the arms race.
My son may even become a convert after he hit a horrendous double cross and was on the next tee, big tree between him and the green, bunker guarding the green from coming in low. I gave him the SS FF Lob and told him to hit it hard. He lofted it straight up over the tree he never would have gotten his 58* Raw RTX over, and came down behind the pin, spun back a few yards and left him 8 or 9 feet to save par. Next hole, a par 5, pin tucked right behind a nasty , deep bunker. I laid up to 54 yards (laser), hit my approach 15 yards past the pin into the well sloped green. Club and Srixon Z Star XV did their part and the ball came zipping back down the hill to 6′. Of course I 2 putted. LOL
This club saves enough strokes any club dropped to make room wont be terribly missed.
[QUOTE=”1860VS, post: 12203890, member: 71354″]
2 guys I play with every week have gotten the SS FF Lob because they were tired of me victimizing them with mine and wanted to equalize the arms race.
My son may even become a convert after he hit a horrendous double cross and was on the next tee, big tree between him and the green, bunker guarding the green from coming in low. I gave him the SS FF Lob and told him to hit it hard. He lofted it straight up over the tree he never would have gotten his 58* Raw RTX over, and came down behind the pin, spun back a few yards and left him 8 or 9 feet to save par. Next hole, a par 5, pin tucked right behind a nasty , deep bunker. I laid up to 54 yards (laser), hit my approach 15 yards past the pin into the well sloped green. Club and Srixon Z Star XV did their part and the ball came zipping back down the hill to 6′. Of course I 2 putted. LOL
This club saves enough strokes any club dropped to make room wont be terribly missed.
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That’s good to hear. I’m kicking around loosing a top of bag club as the gapping just isn’t there. Not sure what to add but the L for the course I play a lot with turtleback greens has my attention
[QUOTE=”Scooby45, post: 12203894, member: 62865″]
That’s good to hear. I’m kicking around loosing a top of bag club as the gapping just isn’t there. Not sure what to add but the L for the course I play a lot with turtleback greens has my attention
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This is exactly what I want to do this year. Drop one longer club and add the L. I realistically use a fairway wood maybe 1-2 times a round, and it probably does me more hard than good.
[QUOTE=”Hawk, post: 12204234, member: 1193″]
This is exactly what I want to do this year. Drop one longer club and add the L. I realistically use a fairway wood maybe 1-2 times a round, and it probably does me more hard than good.
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I’m not sure a 64 doesn’t do more harm than good either but it sounds fun to try!
[QUOTE=”Hawk, post: 12204234, member: 1193″]
This is exactly what I want to do this year. Drop one longer club and add the L. I realistically use a fairway wood maybe 1-2 times a round, and it probably does me more hard than good.
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I added the Smart Sole Lob Wedge to my bag for my late-February/early-March golf trip to Orlando, FL. I ended up choosing to take my 4 hybrid out of the bag to accommodate the LW and it worked great for me.
Yesterday afternoon I was sitting out in my shop, watching the end of the PGA tournament coverage and enjoying a good cigar and cocktail while eyeing my new SSFF C and S wedges propped against the wall and, somehow, ended up ordering the new SSFF 64* Lob wedge from Amazon. I guess it seemed like the right thing to do at the time…
Had a chip it eagle from 10 yards off the green today With my C. Loving this new model.
[QUOTE=”SHOWBOAT12, post: 12202579, member: 42394″]
I’m not a huge fan of the C because I feel like it rolls out too much to be versatile. Ordered a L this week and will give it a try.
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L is a cheat code. I see it replacing the C in my bag.
[QUOTE=”SHOWBOAT12, post: 12226703, member: 42394″]
L is a cheat code. I see it replacing the C in my bag.
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How does it handle firm lies?
[QUOTE=”SHOWBOAT12, post: 12226703, member: 42394″]
L is a cheat code. I see it replacing the C in my bag.
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64*?
I need one.
[QUOTE=”War Eagle, post: 12226763, member: 6727″]
64*?
I need one.
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I’m curious.
[QUOTE=”Scooby45, post: 12226758, member: 62865″]
How does it handle firm lies?
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No issue if you commit to the shot and release the club or play a touch shot with excessive shaft lean. Making a “putter style” stroke like you might with a chipper hasn’t worked well.
[QUOTE=”War Eagle, post: 12226763, member: 6727″]
64*?
I need one.
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Yes and yes.
I had my first 18 round with my Cleveland Smart Sole Full Face C chipper, S sand wedge, L lob wedge and Cleveland Zipcore XL 7-GW (GW+2*) irons today. The SSFF wedges performed as advertised. Once I adjusted to how to hit them, they have earned their place in the bag. The lob wedge, specifically, is incredible! These are amazing!
[QUOTE=”FatChance, post: 12234389, member: 52130″]
I had my first 18 round with my Cleveland Smart Sole Full Face C chipper, S sand wedge, L lob wedge and Cleveland Zipcore XL 7-GW (GW+2*) irons today. The SSFF wedges performed as advertised. Once I adjusted to how to hit them, they have earned their place in the bag. The lob wedge, specifically, is incredible! These are amazing!
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What kinda shots are you using the 64* for ?
[QUOTE=”erock9174, post: 12234971, member: 7797″]
What kinda shots are you using the 64* for ?
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Being the first and only round I’ve played with it (and the other new irons and wedges), I tried it out of the sand once, a couple of times over greenside bunkers and several 10-40? yard chips off good lies around the greens and once off a tight lie. It is very easy to hit, just a simple, smooth stroke, the low bounce and sole size/shape really do their jobs. I didn’t have a single thin hit or skull with it.
I haven’t had my old 60* Vokey in my bag for a long time because it wasn’t very reliable for me, the 64 L wedge seems a lot more reliable and easier to hit. I look forward to trying it in different situations going forward.
To be honest, I don’t know if the 58* S wedge can do anything the lob wedge can’t, within the narrow limits of how far you can hit them, so I don’t know yet if it is worth carrying both or not? Time will tell.
[QUOTE=”FatChance, post: 12235102, member: 52130″]
Being the first and only round I’ve played with it (and the other new irons and wedges), I tried it out of the sand once, a couple of times over greenside bunkers and several 10-40? yard chips off good lies around the greens and once off a tight lie. It is very easy to hit, just a simple, smooth stroke, the low bounce and sole size/shape really do their jobs. I didn’t have a single thin hit or skull with it.
I haven’t had my old 60* Vokey in my bag for a long time because it wasn’t very reliable for me, the 64 L wedge seems a lot more reliable and easier to hit. I look forward to trying it in different situations going forward.
To be honest, I don’t know if the 58* S wedge can do anything the lob wedge can’t, within the narrow limits of how far you can hit them, so I don’t know yet if it is worth carrying both or not? Time will tell.
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It will be interesting to see if the 58 and 64 differentiate themselves for you over your time. Looking forward to following that one as the 64 is curious to me.
[QUOTE=”Scooby45, post: 12188616, member: 62865″]
It’s sounds like you owe it to yourself to try. When you don’t use the 5 wood, what club do you pull and what’s the miss with that club?
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I use a lot of clubs depending on situation!
[QUOTE=”War Eagle, post: 12189000, member: 6727″]
At my lowest handicap of around 5, the smart sole rarely came out of the bag. It just makes the short game easier, and is so versatile for everything I need that it makes sense for me in that 58* spot. I’m quite intrigued by the 64*
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Yeah, contact issues both fat and thin!
Sorry for the late replies…tax season so been busy.
I have some some late Saturday evening out going to chipping area and seeing some improvement. Need to transition to a round but any tech that makes things easier I am all for!
I changed around the top of my bag to accommodate the Smart Sole lob. Now the results of that have me rethinking the entire lineup, 6H to 5W. Unfortunately the Burner Mini was the first club to go, only being hit a few times per round and more of a luxury than a necessity. Smart Sole lob has won a permanent spot even though I bought it just for yuks to play with on the pitch and putt. I don’t see me even NOT having one in the bag. One will be going in the cottage bag when I start playing back up there soon.
[QUOTE=”1860VS, post: 12236929, member: 71354″]
I changed around the top of my bag to accommodate the Smart Sole lob. Now the results of that have me rethinking the entire lineup, 6H to 5W. Unfortunately the Burner Mini was the first club to go, only being hit a few times per round and more of a luxury than a necessity. Smart Sole lob has won a permanent spot even though I bought it just for yuks to play with on the pitch and putt. I don’t see me even NOT having one in the bag. One will be going in the cottage bag when I start playing back up there soon.
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The SSFF L lob wedge will change many minds about how easy it can be to hit a 64* wedge and how many situations for which it can be used effectively.
[QUOTE=”FatChance, post: 12237017, member: 52130″]
The SSFF L lob wedge will change many minds about how easy it can be to hit a 64* wedge and how many situations for which it can be used effectively.
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Where all can you use it?
[QUOTE=”Scooby45, post: 12237073, member: 62865″]
Where all can you use it?
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I have used it out to a bit past 70 yards, but tend to keep it around 50 yards at most unless I can throw it past the pin and am OK with the ball spinning back hard. It is great out of the firm bunkers and around the elevated greens on the courses I frequent. Really good spin out of the rough as well. With a sole that won’t dig despite its lower bounce, this club is great off of tight, even bare lies.
[QUOTE=”1860VS, post: 12237085, member: 71354″]
I have used it out to a bit past 70 yards, but tend to keep it around 50 yards at most unless I can throw it past the pin and am OK with the ball spinning back hard. It is great out of the firm bunkers and around the [I][B]elevated greens[/B][/I] on the courses I frequent. Really good spin out of the rough as well. With a sole that won’t dig despite its lower bounce, this club is great off of [B][I]tight, even bare lies.[/I][/B]
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This description is apt for the course I play the most, making me curious on it.
[QUOTE=”Scooby45, post: 12237073, member: 62865″]
Where all can you use it?
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Any place you want the ball to get up quickly and come down softly with as much spin as you want, probably within 30-40? yards of where you want the ball to end up?
[QUOTE=”FatChance, post: 12235102, member: 52130″]
Being the first and only round I’ve played with it (and the other new irons and wedges), I tried it out of the sand once, a couple of times over greenside bunkers and several 10-40? yard chips off good lies around the greens and once off a tight lie. It is very easy to hit, just a simple, smooth stroke, the low bounce and sole size/shape really do their jobs. I didn’t have a single thin hit or skull with it.
I haven’t had my old 60* Vokey in my bag for a long time because it wasn’t very reliable for me, the 64 L wedge seems a lot more reliable and easier to hit. I look forward to trying it in different situations going forward.
To be honest, I don’t know if the 58* S wedge can do anything the lob wedge can’t, within the narrow limits of how far you can hit them, so I don’t know yet if it is worth carrying both or not? Time will tell.
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Have you had a chance to differentiate the 58 vs 64 yet? Early thoughts on carrying both?
[QUOTE=”burneracctforhere2, post: 12277443, member: 79234″]
Have you had a chance to differentiate the 58 vs 64 yet? Early thoughts on carrying both?
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My preliminary thoughts are that the Smart Sole C chipper and S sandwedge are both incredible and have a place in my bag. The L lob wedge can be very useful and I have used it in some particular situations and it is easier to hit than any lob wedge I have ever used and will stay in my bag until something else tickles my fancy but, it is not nearly as useful as the 58* S sandwedge that is really awesome. We’re playing again tomorrow, but after a half dozen rounds so far, that is my current thought.
[QUOTE=”FatChance, post: 12277499, member: 52130″]
My preliminary thoughts are that the Smart Sole C chipper and S sandwedge are both incredible and have a place in my bag. The L lob wedge can be very useful and I have used it in some particular situations and it is easier to hit than any lob wedge I have ever used and will stay in my bag until something else tickles my fancy but, it is not nearly as useful as the 58* S sandwedge that is really awesome. We’re playing again tomorrow, but after a half dozen rounds so far, that is my current thought.
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What gives the S a locked bag spot but the L spot on watch?
SS Lob continues to be phenomenal. Yesterday I ended up in a bunker 5′ below the green, with the pin only 7′ on the green. Ball was slightly fried eggish, it was sitting exactly in the hole made where it landed from a steeply descending 8I. Opening up the 58 would have given me so much bounce I wouldn’t get down to the ball. Playing the 58 square would have assured me of going long if I hit it hard enough to get over the lip. Squared up 64, played slightly back dug down under the ball and popped it gently up onto the green to 3′ short of the hole. I couldnt have done that without the 64…….